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California's Railroad to the U.S. 1861 - 1996
Southern Pacific Passenger Train ConCor Protoypes
Additions welcome. Other List Subjects also solicited.
Roy Wullich wrote:
Jim Lancaster supplied this 'short' reply:
The Con-Cor 85' cars are a mix of Santa Fe cars (baggage, coach, diner, dome lounge, observation) and WP-D&RGW-CB&Q California Zephyr cars (dome coach, dome observation, 10-6 sleeper) but not accurate models of any of these, e.g., skirts are wrong for Zephyr cars. The slumbercoach is patterned after a CB&Q or NP car, but again, rather loosely. No SP cars in the group.
Tom Cockle supplied the 'long' answer:
The Con-Cor 85' cars have several different prototypes (at least nominally):
Baggage: No actual prototype--was taken from the Santa Fe Plan Book, but those plans had several errors, and car is actually a hybrid among several prototypes.
Coach: Also taken from Santa Fe Plan Book--but pretty close to Budd-built ATSF 3139 class, with addition of corrugated letterboard and roof.
Diner: Also taken from Santa Fe Plan Book--fairly accurate for ATSF 600 class diners (used on Super Chief only)
Regular Dome: Also taken from Santa Fe Plan Book--fairly accurate for ATSF 500 class dome lounges--the fabled "Pleasure Dome-Turquoise Room" cars used on Super Chief only.
Regular Observation: Also taken from Santa Fe Plan Book--reasonably accurate for ATSF 3197, a one-of-a-kind car.
Slumbercoach: Standard Budd design, used by several roads
Dome Observation: Budd-built California Zephyr car 'probably of CB&Q heritage' courtesy Jim Fitch
10-6 Pullman: Budd-built design, has window pattern of California Zephyr cars, but similar to Budd-built sleepers of other roads also. This car is also a useful starting point to building the SP Research and Test car #252, which was an exCalifornia Zephyr 10-6 Sleeping Car.
Budd Dome: California Zephyr dome coach
To answer your primary question, none of these cars is accurate for SP. The coach, diner, regular observation, and 10-6 Pullman might be used as "stand-ins" for SP cars, but the others are nothing like anything SP.
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